Animals

Thanks Stephanie, just heard this info at World Vegan day festival. Its a shame the politicians are to scared to address it when they debate climate change. They are probably concerned its not macho enough and they'll lose the  "defiately ignorant mainstream" vote.

I think what many people also don't consider is that it is possible to lessen the animal deaths resulting solely from crop production. Our current methods of crop production are not meant to be animal friendly, but that can change. 

There are many vegans who cultivate their own gardens where they are not obligated to kill any animals in the harvesting of their homegrown fruits & veggies. 

In my mind, though, there is no comparison between the deliberate slaughter of livestock for consumption of their flesh and death in the crop fields.

"To produce fruits, vegetables, and grains, it is not necessary to kill any animals directly. However, there probably are some wild animals killed in the process of planting and harvesting plant-based foods on a large scale. Some possible causes of these deaths are farm machinery such as harvesters, ploughs, or tractors, chemical pesticides, or direct poisoning or trapping of animals who pose a threat to the crops. As Davis puts it,"

"Although accurate estimates of the total number of animals killed by different agronomic practices from plowing to harvesting are not available, some studies show that the numbers are quite large."

The quotes above are from the study, and I am glad that the wildlife killed is mentioned, but the reality is that they really don't keep counts on the wildlife that are killed for crop production. This is what needs work. Trapping and poisoning the wildlife to protect the food for human consumption whether it be livestock or grains needs attention. Millions are killed to protect the crops and the farmers are not held accountable for keeping numbers on what they kill. We can do better.

Lisa is right. The only way to avoid this is to grow your own food or have a community garden. Although less fox, deer, or raptors may be killed than pigs or beef cattle, it's still not okay to take their lives for our food consumption.

Is it true that Vegans are from Vega ?

And what about unborn human babies ?

There is an inconsistency in the argument.

 Is there an over-population problem in the world or an injustice issue ?

How does a positive abortion attitude resolve either ?

this is inappropriate on this thread which is about animal rights and has nothing to do with abortion rights. the fact is that vegans cannot be put into a single group of pro lifers or pro choicers. This is a topic best discussed on an article which deals with said topic. In my opinion, this is trolling.

What is a vegan ? Is it a baby or an abstract construct ? Your opinion is not very well informed classically but perhaps empirically, which is the crux of the matter. The mutually exclusives here is that all people are either vegans or non-vegans. My question is elementary to that fact. Are vegans human being or are there non-humans who are vegans. The argument follows logically from there. Using logic we will find that it is inconsistent to be both professing vegan and pro-abortion; the termination of life just as vegans are opposed to taking innocent life. That is the point not trolling or inappropriate how-ever one may feel about the topic.